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Industry hits out at fire alarm response ‘lottery’

12 December 2011

The Fire Industry Association has branded the decision of some English fire and rescue services not to respond to certain automatic fire alarms as ‘madness’.

Chief executive of the Fire Industry Association, Graham Ellicott, questioned the decision of at least 12 fire and rescue services not to attend – or to reduce response to – calls generated by automatic fire alarms (AFAs). He pointed to newly published figures showing a reduction of 5% to 337,300 false alarms attended by fire and rescue services in 2010-2011 compared to the previous year, and a third lower than the peak of 507,000 in 1995.

Writing on the association’s blog, Mr Ellicott said:

“The number of false alarms is obviously still far too high, but not as high as you might have been led to believe by English fire and rescue services. In many cases [they have] now withdrawn or greatly reduced attendance to AFA signals to which it is not possible to confirm a real fire with a ‘call back’ from the Alarm Receiving Centre (ARC).

“They believe that every call that cannot be confirmed as a real fire is a false alarm. Well, I wish I had this amount of foresight – choosing lottery numbers would be my first port of call!”

The association also warns that new powers under the Localism Act 2011 to allow fire and rescue services to charge for attending persistent false alarm call outs could put lives at risk, if fire alarm systems are turned off to avoid the charges.

Responding to Mr Ellicott’s remarks, the Chief Fire Officers Association told info4fire.com that it believes there is no increased risk where fire services have reduced attendance to automatic fire alarms.

“Most fire and rescue services are pursuing a risk based approach to AFA turnout, matching attendance to risk in conjunction with an unwanted fire signals prevention strategy,” said a CFOA spokesperson. “We believe there will be no increase in risk to occupants or firefighters as a consequence of this approach.”

CFOA acknowledged that some stakeholders, including the FIA, were concerned about the potential impact of reduced attendance to AFAs – including the possible disincentive to install alarms in the future – but it had not seen any evidence of this so far.

“CFOA is engaged in positive discussion with the FIA regarding their concerns and we are working together to review the protocol on AFAs. Additionally we are jointly considering the potential to charge for some calls following the enactment of the Localism Bill.

“Services are striving to ensure best use of resources through modified response to AFAs whilst ensuring that risk is carefully monitored. This approach will provide increased appliance availability for substantive calls and redeployment of resource to community safety and prevention work.”
 


     
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Darren Slater
We have had customers that have had false alarms in large roof void plants rooms. The fire service wouldn't attend without confirmation there was actually a fire. The custmer had to access the roof void plant rooms to esatblish if there was a fire. Luckily it was a steam valve that had blown off, Should this have been a real fire, the customer would have walked (or crawled) straight into a very dangerous situation.If a fire zone is activated in a high risk area, the fire service should attend.

Posted on 28/12/11 16:00.

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Graham
I reviewed this with a qualified lawyer and what would be the legal implications of a non attendance due to this policy.
I was duly instructed to reply when questioned 'can you confirm a fire' to give the reply 'I can't confirm there is not a fire'. upon this answer they would be implicated for non attendance.

Posted on 28/12/11 16:00.

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Peter Russell FIFPO, GIFE, MIIRSM
Going back to my early days in Fire Prevention for a Brigade, we held many seminars in the county, persuading businesses, nursing homes and office blocks, to install the newest all singing and dancing AFA systems, to protect the premises in the unforseen event of an outbreak of fire, especailly during the hours the building was not in use.
So now brigades are abdicating their repsonsiblity for those expensive installations, and are using a crystal ball to forsee the unforseable.

Posted on 28/12/11 16:00.

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Richard Peace
I find it interesting that CFOA and FIA., having come to an arrangement, find it surprising that someone else fails to fall in with their unrealistic expectations. CFOA is not an elected authority. FIA has no shareholders wanting a dividend. They have no common understanding of risk. Get back around the table guys.

Posted on 28/12/11 16:00.

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Graham Ellicott
So who is this CFOA spokesman? Perhaps he or she would like to explain how not attending agrees with DCLG's own research on this matter that recommends attendance - see http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/fire/firealarmsresearch22008
I suggest that CFOA, the FIA, the FPA, the insurers and any other interested fire stakeholders debate this issue in a public forum; if CFOA is interested in such a debate then the FIA will provide the venue. I'll wait to hear!

Posted on 28/12/11 16:00.

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Clive Kemp
We believe that Mr. Ellicott’s comments are a gross over reaction to what, we consider to be sensible policy changes from a number of Fire and Rescue Services who are reacting to a historic problem faced by operational personnel.

Even on the FIA’s own figures, there are over 900 attendances to automatic fire alarm calls every day and over 95% of these calls are false alarms, with the remaining 5% predominantly being very small fires which are more often than not, out on arrival.

A Fire and Rescue Service attendance at these incidents is a gross waste of public money, which may also put lives at unnecessary risk by large fire appliances attending on blue lights and potentially put a severe strain on retained crews and their employers where these AFAs occur in rural areas.

The majority of the 12 FRAs who are implementing this policy will develop a call challenge policy and will attend where a confirmed false alarm cannot be guaranteed. A number of Fire and Rescue Services implemented this policy during the 2002/03 industrial dispute and continued it thereafter because the increased risk was entirely negligible and cost savings significant.

With the Government’s localism agenda, we believe that there may never be a consistent approach to any English FRS policy. This could have detrimental effects on the Service as a whole. We would advocate the development of a new organisational model , embracing a strong central framework whilst at the same time reflecting the local needs of the community. Just look at what is happening in Scotland; could a single FRS be on the cards in England?.

Clive Kemp
Director – Fire and Rescue Solutions Ltd

Posted on 28/12/11 15:53.

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Andy Derrick
Most new systems are well installed using technologies to limit false alarm.
Most system users care about reliability & employ reputable companies for maintenance.
Most systems perform inside BS5839 false alarm guidlines.
3rd party cert schemes have insufficient fire authority backing/commercial appeal
A minority don't/won't care - Why not fine them if their frequency of false alarms is avoidable

Let's not deter connections to ARC's and lose faith in our fire authorities from fear of cost

Posted on 15/01/12 15:41.

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